Punctuation gives us the
human voice, and all the meanings that lie between the words.
—Pico
Iyer
When language was chiseled into stone
slabs in ancient Greece, the writers had to save space, so they left none
between words. Words ran together and
became confused. So the first
punctuation element was a dot suspended between words to separate them. Later, space itself was used to separate—to
punctuate—words. White space includes
word spacing; paragraph, stanza, section and chapter breaks; and book
covers. Capitalization—a word derived
from the Latin caput—was originally
used to indicate either a new head(ing) or the name of a head of household. So white space and capitalization are
punctuation, as well.
Let’s remember that poetry has
changed from the predominantly oral and physical art of the itinerant bard, to
an increasingly visual medium on the page.
The voice inflections of the live poet have to be recorded on the page,
like sound on a musical score, to indicate pacing, meaning, and emotional
nuance. But we must also reconstruct the physical gestures of the poet, for, as
W. B. Yeats tells us, art comes from the “fountain jetting from the […]
sensations of the body.” Mining the
etymologies of the names of punctuations, we can re-embody the hand gestures of
a bard. The gesture is like that of a cupped hand waving things apart.
In terms of punctuation, poetry falls
somewhere between the pyrotechnics of ee cummings, and the spareness of W.S.
Merwin, who punctuates only with
white space, capitalization, and traditional apostrophes. Considering that most poetry falls somewhere
between these two extremes, we can better appreciate the synaptic and
expressive power of punctuation.
Here
is an eleven-line excerpt from section XXXVIII of cummings’s “W (Viva),” which
includes the title of this essay:
n(o)w 1
the 2
how 3
dis(appeared cleverly)world 4
iS Slapped:with;liGhtninG 5
! 6
at 7
which(shal)lpounceupcrackw(ill)jumps 8
of 9
THuNdeRB 10
loSSo!M iN 11
cummings renews our sense of the
uses of punctuation by playing meaningful counterpoint with the norms. For example, in the first line he
parenthesizes the “o” in “now,” creating a tension between the words that that
suggests: “now,” “no,” “o,” “ow,” and even “nw.” How appropriate a response to a lightning
storm, which forces a sense of urgency and nowness on us, and the ambivalent
reactions of “no,” “o,” and the wincing “ow.”
With its “o” dropped out, “nw” feels sudden. Visually, the parentheses create a whirlwind
around the eye-of-the-storm “o.”
In line 5, cummings capitalizes the
second instead of the customary first letter of “iS,” thus aligning and
amplifying the sound “S” with the capital “S” in “Slapped,” the following
word. The sound effect sizzles, as
lightning does. Had cummings not capitalized
the “S” in “iS,” the “is” would have had merely a “z” sound. Also, he would
have lost the surprise effect of “S,” which mimics the surprise of
lightning. Instead of white spaces to
separate the three linked words in line 5, cummings used a colon and semicolon,
punctuations traditionally used to separate much larger units of language. The colon functions like two pointing index
fingers: LOOK AT THIS. “Slapped,” like lightning, is sudden and
clipped, especially with the colon following it. The word “with” is slapped—struck—between the
muscular punctuation marks of the colon, and the semicolon (half comma and half
period)—as lightning is surrounded by the expansive dark before and dark after
it. Because we have become accustomed to
white spacing between words in the five centuries since Gutenberg, there is
tremendous tension between our expectations and the surprise of this line. Even more unexpected is the word “liGhtninG,”
whose capital Gs flash,
and flash into our eyes, as lightning would.
cummings’s choice of capitalizing the Gs is especially meaningful, since the letter is often an initial
morpheme in words related to visual experience, as in “glow,” “glimmer,
“glance,” “goggles,” “gaze.”
In
contrast to cummings’s punctuational exuberance, W.S. Merwin has an ascetic
aesthetic. Consider the last three lines
from his poem “Just This,” in which Merwin also works with lightning:
how
did this haste begin this little time
at any time this reading by lightning
at any time this reading by lightning
scarcely
a word this nothing this heaven
How
did this haste begin, this little time
(at any time), this reading by lightning
(scarcely
a word), this nothing, this heaven?
In my
own poetry, one of my favorite punctuation breakthroughs was in a work
originally titled “F.Y.I.: An Interoffice Memo.” In this poem, a young woman addresses a business
colleague who both attracts and repels her by his sexual overtures. In the
early drafts of the poem, I used traditional punctuation, clearly marking off
phrases and sentences and lines. I soon
realized, however, that these clear demarcations contradicted the psychological
blurring and testing of boundaries between the two characters. Here are the first two of fifteen stanzas:
F.Y.I.: An Interoffice Memo
Behind
the sweating cinderblock wall between them,
he
sucks Merit butts and True Blue.
Smoke
smolders around his doorjamb.
She
emerges from her side to ask him not to.
He
responds, Open your window, and belches
the
belch of someone who always can.
The
title is too sure of its boundaries—the periods after the abbreviated words For Your Information too defining. The colon functions like two pointing fingers
that know what they are indicating.
Period/end of sentence: there is nothing smoky and wavering about “Smoke
smolders around the door.”
The current first-person version is as
spare of punctuation as Merwin’s poetry is: Here are the title and first two of
thirteen stanzas:
F Y I Need to Talk
Between
us the cinderblock wall
Its
sweat grit and empty cores
You
puff True Blues and Now
To
smoke a frame around your door
Where
I wait to ask you
Again to open your window
The
first, highly punctuated title was rhythmically and thematically
inappropriate. Pulling out the
punctuation, I realized that what followed the colon was dull and
too-self-explanatory. “FYI” is only used
as a memo heading for “For Your Information,” so why define it as such. When I
tried “FYI,” I saw a further opportunity for
ambiguity. “FY” can be an acronym for
“F____ You” and the “I” can either be the first person pronoun of the sentence
“I Need to Talk,” or short for some slur, such as “Idiot.” But there were not enough cues in “FYI” to
invite alternate interpretations. I
brought my puzzlement to my Senior Writing Seminar as a punctuation challenge,
and my student Abigail Avis cleverly suggested the title I finally kept: “F Y I
Need to Talk” allows for several groupings/interpretations by a reader,
including, but not limited to, the following:
(1) a traditional office memo: “F.Y.I.: Need To Talk”; (2) a curse and request:
“F. Y.: I Need to Talk”; (3) a curse and slur of the other: “F.Y.,
I(diot): Need to Talk”; (4) a curse of
other and self (although it should be
“me”) “F. Y. (&) I: Need to Talk.”
Syntactically the poem shifts and
reshifts as the woman experiences her ambivalence—her connection to and separation
from her colleague. The white spaces
mimic the undefined spaces between them.
The unmarked enjambments rush us toward the next lines, much as the
woman approaching the man. As readers, we may be tempted to read in the missing
punctuation, thus inviting us into a voyeuristic relationship with the
characters. Honoring Merwin’s
punctuation aesthetic enriched the poem and made it more dynamic. Here is the
full current draft:
F Y I Need to
Talk
Between
us the cinderblock wall
Its
sweat grit and empty cores
You
puff True Blues and Now
To
smoke a frame around your door
Where
I wait to ask you
Again to open your window
You
will belch the belch of one
Who
has no need to state
My
office my lungs my gut
Words
to stun
My
eyes will tug at your eyes
Don't
gaze down the length of my hair
To
my left breast
My
hand a cameo at my throat
My
elbow a shield
I'll
say something about breathing
Tantric
yoga you'll say
Best
kind of breath I won't
Understand You'll say
All
those naked yoga positions
I'll
tell you love
Is
a poem You'll say
Emily
Dickinson was an S&M
Lesbian black leather and studs
Under
white piqué I'll say
Love
is an art
You'll
say Sex is a ribbed Trojan
My
ears like vacuums will draw
Forth
your words to hang
Like
swollen tongues from your lips
Your
sentences will build around you
Like
the cathedral of excrement
One
tropical caterpillar
Sculpts
around itself to say
To
birds You don't want me Please
Don't
eat me I lift now my fist
Miss
Liberty
Rock
of desire chisel of
Despair strike the match
Acknowledgements:
cummings, ee.
“W (Viva).” Poems 1923-1954. New
York: Harcourt, 1954.
Merwin, W. S.
“Just This.” New Yorker. 6 June 2005.
Rich, Susanna. The Flexible Writer. 4th ed. New York:
Longman/Allyn & Bacon, 2003.
---. “Slapped:with;liGhtninG:
Poetry and Punctuation.” In Mentor and Muse.
Ed. Blas Falconer. Carbondale: Southern Illinois UP, 2009.
After reading this blog post, I’ve realized that punctuation doesn’t get the credit it deserves because it’s something so normal and common. There are two things that caught my attention the most as I read this blog post. The first being the importance of the spaces between words. When I write, it’s so automatic to space out words that I never stopped to realize how crucial the spaces are. They are just as important as the letters themselves. Spaces are what allows us to read fluently! Another aspect of this post that I loved was the poem by W.S. Merwin. The dissection of the punctuation really helped me to translate the words into images in my imagination. His punctuation almost made the poem interactive! I had never read a poem like this so I thought it was really entertaining!
ReplyDelete(Larissa Carvalho)
Punctuation marks such as period,full-stops,colon,apostrophe are designed to make the reader and writer not lose sight or interest in what is being read or written.Yet,using punctuations and leaving spaces convey different meanings.I specifically write using Appositives regularly as I feel that always providing extra information is necessary to give a full and concise description of who and what I am talking about.
ReplyDeleteFor example:Juliet, my sister, with long dark hair just walked by my house.The additional information tells me how important and detailed my description of her is in her to give the right information if questioned .
I also lose myself in my writing without even thinking or addressing where I needed interjections or how separated the predicate verb is from the subject.
Therefore,our writing has to make sense so punctuating properly is important and as a result I endeavor to write better and to use puctuation properly.
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteAs always, the topics on your blog post never fail to inform me of things that I didn't know or realize prior to reading them. This blog post talks all about punctuation and before this, I never really realized how important it is to make sure you punctuate things correctly. Growing up and throughout school, my teachers obviously spent time teaching punctuation and why it was important, but as I got older it was like second nature that I never had to think twice about. Especially with social media now, I feel like there are people out there that might not remember how to punctuate correctly since their smartphone does it all for them. It was really cool to see how punctuation plays a big part in poems and how it can alter the meaning of lines. When reading poems, I never really noticed how important the punctuation was, but now when I read a poem I am going to think about Cummings' excerpt of Viva and how interesting it was to see it all written out with punctuation!
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteBefore reading this post I knew that punctuation was important. If you were to ask me how I felt about it years ago I would tell you it didn't matter. But, when you mentioned that spacing between words in this post I realized that it is very important to have that space between words. Like you mentioned, words we could get confused if they were no spaces between them. If there were no spaces I would feel that no one would want to read anything at all. This past weekend I saw my little cousins and one of them was practicing their sentences and there were no spaces between the words he had written. I was trying to explain to him he needs to put a little space in between the words so it is easy to read. At first, he was confused at what I meant but I took my time with him and explained it easier for him to understand. Finally, he had spaces between his words! So, thank God for spacing. Also, with punctuation in poetry I feel there is a more dramatic effect on a poem. To me a comma in a poem is like a pause, like a dramatic one which will make the reader want to read and understand more what is going on in a poem. I also loved the part how you and the student came together with the title for the poem. It is a very good working title!
Kristen Calderoni
Reading this post helped me understand the importance of punctuation. I never realized how difficult it would be to pronounce words without punctuation. The excerpt in the post also taught me how they take letters out of a word and have it stand out when pronouncing it. I like how they would either put parenthesis around the letter inside of a word or capitalize the letter to give its pronunciation. I see that the technique of using punctuation is used heavily in poems. I think without punctuation, we would have a hard time with sentences.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Larissa, punctuations don't get enough credit, even though we may not realize how much of an impact they have in our writings. When reading Shakespeare, I can imagine the tone of the characters just by looking at certain punctuations. When we see punctuation's like question marks and exclamation points, we know that there is an inflection, and as a result a change in emotion as well.
ReplyDeleteDr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteI never knew the history of language and punctuation, or maybe I learned it and never fully grasped it the way I do the beginning of your post. I have always relied on having proper punctuation in my own writing, as I got older I realized just how important punctuation is, as it changes the way I read. I recall seeing a really funny saying on someones T-shirt that read "Lets eat grandma" and underneath read "Lets eat, grandma", "Punctuation Saves Lives". As simple as it is it truly speaks volumes for the importance of punctuation.
When it comes to poetry I fully understand how much punctuation impacts how a poem is read. I love the example you gave us with the difference in titles "F.Y.I:" versus just "FYI" I definitely take more out of the second title without punctuation- because it lacks punctuation, causing readers to read it in a different context than the standard. By changing punctuation in writing poetry a whole new meaning gets developed- which is one of the reasons I love writing poetry and the style that gets developed when punctuation is either present or not.
Jessica Jardonoff
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteLike many other people who have already commented, I am unfamiliar with the intricate history rooted in language and punctuation. I am somewhat familiar with the history of the English language, but I have never been enrolled in a course that has taken the time to teach me about the origins of punctuation.
The idea of using punctuation creatively is oftentimes overlooked. After we learn how to use punctuation in grade school, we rarely think about how to strategically embed it within our writing so that it serves a purpose and signals some message to our readers.
Honestly, I seldom think about using punctuation other than its intended purpose; however, after reading this article, I have a greater appreciation for punctuation and the meaning that it could potentially serve in my own writing. Punctuation is even more important in poetry, where just about every line, space, and period is designed to send a message to readers.
As apparent in cumming’s poem, punctuation has the ability to uniquely alter the sound, as well as the syntax, of the words so that they come to resemble a certain theme or message portrayed within the poem. What I find interesting is that the meaning of poetry can be changed and controlled simply by playing around with the punctuation.
Furthermore, what I truly appreciate about this article, Dr. Rich, is that you worked to take us on a journey of your own poetry, as you played around with the punctuation to make it work for your own poem, F Y I Need to Talk. You decided that within the first draft, the punctuation in the title was too defining and restrictive, which is something I probably would have overlooked if I was writing a poem. Then, by the second draft, you decided to take away some of the punctuation in order to loosen this rigidity. By the final draft, you were able to see exactly what worked and what did not. I hope that with my own experience, I will be able to use punctuation so that it serves a more meaningful purpose as well.
Nada Amer
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteSurprisingly, this post has taught me more about the history of punctuation than any grammar/writing course ever has. It is amazing to think about all of the different possible writing outcomes that punctuation can facilitate. For example, Pamela McCoy Diamonds told the story of when "'an English teacher asked her students to punctuate this sentence correctly... A WOMEN WITHOUT HER MAN IS NOTHING.' All males in the class wrote: A woman, without her man, is nothing. All females in the class wrote: A woman: without her, man is nothing." The students twist on the punctuation of the sentence is eye opening. The sentence that the male students provided displayed a COMPLETELY different meaning than the sentence the female students provide. Both sentences use the same words, but the punctuation determines the meaning of the words used in a totally different light. Punctuation is extremely important when conveying the EXACT message you wish to convey in speech and in writing.
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed reading about the history of punctuation. I knew about the lack of spaces but didn't know about the origin of capitalization, so I was pleasantly surprised by the new information.
While I have always understood the importance of punctuation, I feel more likely to appreciate it now that I've seen how it can be used. The way punctuation is played with and how it can be used to change meaning puts a great burden on it. One misplaced comma or period could change the whole meaning someone is trying to get across. In my future writing I think I will be putting more effort into punctuation and how I can use it meaningfully to convey what it is I want to write.
Victoria Mastrella
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteThis blog is so powerful for English writing majors (like me)! It's so important to know the history behind punctuation marks. I had no idea that the first punctuation was a dot between words to separate them. I would have assumed that maybe a comma would have been the first punctuation. Your blogs never seem to disappoint me because I always learn something every time I read them.
I love the quote that states "Punctuation gives us the human view, and all the meanings that lie between the words." This quote is strong because it's so true. Punctuation is everything. Without it, we would have no idea how people are talking through text.
We all learn about grammar and punctuation all throughout school. For me I knew I had to learn it but it never sunk in, which in away makes me think did I really ever learn the importance of it. I just knew that when I was writing you needed that period or that comma so the reading wasn't confused. By this post I have a clearer understand about how important punctuation is to the writer and reader. If having a period, comma, semicolon in the wrong place could give what your trying to say a whole different meaning. So it is very important to understand punctuation and to make sure as a writer your using it in the right forms. Also by this post I learned a lot more about punctuation then I have in a classroom. Im pretty sure I will go back to this post from time to time.
ReplyDeleteDr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteAs I've gone through college, I've tried to focus on punctuation more and more. I always understood the importance of punctuation because it is the very thing that makes a sentence complete and understandable. I was glad to read this blog and learn more about the history of punctuation and the way it's continued to prosper. It also never ceases to amaze me how a sentence can have different meanings when punctuation is used differently.
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteI learned more about punctuation from this post than I have in any other English class, even one I took for the structures of English. I've never really noticed how important and symbolic punctuation is. Seeing the way you broke down the poem to show how much more dramatic it can be made. Without the use of punctuation, the the emphasis wouldn't be there, and the poem could be found as dull. I also realized that without punctuation, the meaning of a sentence can completely change. For example, if you take the sentence: I love my parents, Kylie Minogue and Kermit the Frog. And you take the sentence: I love my parents, Kylie Minogue, and Kermit the Frog. Both are saying the exact same thing but both have very different meanings. Just by forgetting to put one extra comma, the person writing is saying Kermit the Frog and Kylie Minogue are their parents.
I really appreciate the background and history you give us about punctuation. Like everyone else, I was unaware of the history of it. I found it very interesting that when things were written on stone slab, there wasn't any spacing used so the words jumbled together. Thinking about the way we space words now, I think it would be really confusing to have to read something with one a dot to break up the words.
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeletePunctuation was always taught in English classes but never in other subjects such as poetry. I had taken poetry class in high school and there were no lessons involving punctuation. Poetry does not necessarily need punctuation but in certain poems, it could be used to make a statement or to add emphasizes to a poem. What I found educational and useful was the history of punctuation. Personally, when I know the origins or background information of anything I find that I begin to use it in my everyday life.
Punctuation and poetry is something that I want to incorporate into my poems going forward. It gives me a chance to challenge myself. In high school and even my two poetry classes I took in college getting my undergraduate degree, I was encouraged not to use punctuation. After reading the blog and reading your poetry, I was able to see that punctuation in poetry can help enhance my poems.
Another part of the blog that I thought was so interesting was how spacing became part of our writing. I remember in elementary school when we were learning how to write, our teachers would tell us to use our pointer finger between each word in order to have proper spacing. For me, it developed into thinking that certain types of spacing could only be used within that subject.
During our Advanced Poetry class, I have learned that spacing in poetry is extremely important because not only it allows the reader to read the poem better but it also can give a whole new form to the poem. Example: I wrote a poem in class and originally I had:
The crickets chirped
Instead of the birds
I then changed it to:
The Crickets
Chirped
Instead of the birds
Even though this is a small example, after adjusting the spacing of my words in the poem, I was able to read the poem with more feeling and it made my second and third draft better than my first draft. Thank you for sharing!
Kaveena
As long as I’ve been writing essays, I’ve also been been a stickler for proper punctuation. I didn’t realize I was like this until I did my first class assignment with another student, and found that they preferred to write everything out and then go back to correct grammar and punctuation. I, on the other hand, always start off by formatting and organizing everything clearly, and find myself constantly re-reading in order to keep things tidy along the way. What I’ve found over the years is that, when it comes to grammar and punctuation, there is always something new to learn. Maybe it’s because the written language changes with the times, or perhaps because we fall into common misconceptions about what the right way truly is. Now I see that there’s also the factor of interpretation at hand. Punctuation that affects that meaning of what is read can be found everywhere, as you made clear in this post. I think that we just don’t pay mind to it because it’s effects happen behind the scenes. When we read and interpret what we’re reading, it is sometimes without much care or involvement – just like tying your shoes.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this post, i realized it is important to have proper punctuation throughout the paper. Sentences would not make any sense without them. It would be a complete run on, which is not a good thing.
ReplyDeleteDr.Rich,
ReplyDeleteThis blog post was very helpful on understanding the use of punctuation. Without proper punctuation or proper mark placement, the meaning of the sentence would completely change.The spacing between words are necessary and extremely important. I can't imagine reading a book without word spacing, I would stumble every time. Word spacing helps readers read fluently and have a greater understanding of the context. I also enjoyed learning about punctuation in poetry and the effect it has towards the reader.
As I started taking Poetry classes, I've never knew how important it was to sat up a stanza and punctuation marks in a correct way within the poem. The punctuation can be all the different that a poem needs sometime. Learning where and when to use it or cut it great. Thank you for this great read.
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DeleteDr Rich,
ReplyDeleteI thought this post was wonderful. As I grew up, punctuation was always something that was stressed about in school. We had to make sure we did not over use commas and make sure when we used them they were in the right space. This post interests me because reading that poem made me really think about how punctuation really affects the read of a poem and its meaning. Making sure to leave enough space between each stanza's is key for fluency. Sometimes we may use punctuation in a way that we did not intend but it works best that way. I will make this post and poem that you discussed and used it to help the fluency of my poems with punctuation.
Thanks so much!
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting to hear learn about punctuation and the history of it. I never knew that the Greeks needed them, so they can conserve spacing and now waste their space. Punctuation has a greater history than we give credit for. Also, it is so important to use because it really makes a difference in a sentence. In poetry punctuation can determine the mood and style of a poem. Perhaps the poem must feel quick and hush, thus using no punctuation. Opposite, the way the language is spoken is important and the punctuation can help slow down the reading. Remembering to use it and finding creative ways to utilizes a coma or period can make a difference to what your writing.
I definitely enjoyed reading this post, as I learned so much from it. When we’re taught punctuation in grammar school , we’re given the conventional list of periods, commas, colons, exclamations, question marks, semicolons,etc. I was shocked at the fact that blank spaces and capitalization are part of punctuation. I think that the variation of all forms of punctuations can impact writing greatly. With essays and books punctuation can define tones and give dual meanings. Punctuation is what separates a play from a book.
ReplyDeleteIn poetry , I feel that punctuation is powerful in invoking feelings by emphasizing or downplaying words and creating poetic moments. For example, when Rupi Kaur put the name of her poem at the bottom or the top in caps of lowercases, it shifts the entire dynamic and feeling of the poem. I’m going to start trying to intentionally use punctuation as a device in my poetry for the rest of the semester and see how that goes.
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteWhere would we be without punctuation! Too many times have I run into situations where the lack of punctuation has caused a moment of miscommunication. The quote you presented by Pico Iyer highlighted such a truth that many people fail to realize today. Punctuation does steer and create emotions therefore any mishaps regarding punctuation marks such placing the wrong one or completely forgetting to place one can cause many unfortunate situations. However, punctuation within poetry is something I've only thought of in a very limited sense. Periods and commas are really the only forms of punctuation that I have acknowledged or have even used within my own poems. The more you know! I never knew the history of punctuation and I appreciate your blog for consistently teaching me new things and keeping me refreshed. It was intriguing to see how playwrights can choose to free themselves of certain "rules" that have been placed on literature. The removal of punctuation from the works presented highlighted just how much punctuation does and does not matter at the same time. You are able to convey multiple meanings just by doing so and it isn't necessarily wrong to do so. It's innovative and freeing!
What I find interesting about this post is that I am constantly worrying about spacing whether it is written or on a computer. I do not like my handwriting. When I write to long my words tend to fly off the paper and come back. To this day I do not know why, but what I do know is that this little loop that happens when I write on paper makes these awkward spaces in my work. Which was why I switched to writing on computers. But then of course that can't be easy because Microsoft, and google documents, gives you so much freedom to format your paper however you please, I tend to hit the wrong button and cause my paper to pull and stretch all over the place. When I first set out for school, my intentions were to perfect my grammar, punctuation, and my confidence in writing. I only did one out of the three. Reading about Ancient Greece and looking at how far I and society itself has come when the topic is writing I should be amazed. There was so much work that had to be put into craving stone into a message. Once wrong word and there goes a perfectly good stone, compared to pressing backspace or using your eraser.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I have to give credit to the authors for being so creative. I will never look at a space the same way again. It also struck me how little attention we pay to punctuation. A period now has so much more meaning than just ‘stop’. It isn’t only our words that are powerful, but also what goes between them. And once you know that each punctuation mark means something very different, it’s harder to confuse them. I never learned this before and it would have been helpful to know the functions of each punctuation mark- besides the exclamation mark.
ReplyDeleteWe’ve all read or said “F.Y.I.” before. I just breeze through the letters and their meanings in the acronym. But leaving out the periods and making it “F Y I” makes a noticeable difference. I’m forced to stop and think about what is different and why.
Playing with punctuation in my writing takes the creativity in my own work up a notch. Not only do we have word choice to get our points across, but we can emphasize that choice with our punctuation.
Also, it makes sense that spaces go between characters. We are all characters… and what’s between us is space. No dot sits in the space between me and the person nexttome.
Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteThis post was an interesting read as nowadays there is such a shift in the words or parts of words/phrases we over accentuate to draw another level of drama.
The same goes with punctuation. I don't feel that it's changing but more or less evolving to cater to ever growing index of multiple meanings and things of that nature. More so than ever before, punctuation is (I feel) being neglected or abused! You hardly ever read a text message from someone with proper commas, or even periods for God's sake; and when they tend to appear there's the underlying impression that someone is perturbed or angered! I think a lot of people need to read this post to truly understand why things like punctuation are vital tools to be used CORRECTLY!
Dear Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteReading this has made me think back to how I was like back in freshmen year of high school, it was horrible. I could look back and read any message I wrote during early high school and I am guaranteed to cringe from my writing. When it came to school papers I would write properly, always using proper grammar and double checking for typos. Outside of school however is where my grammar was atrocious. Whenever I texted or wrote on facebook I would misspell things horribly. “Hai did u ever see dat new movie that jst came out?!?” every sentence form past Stephen was so horrible I couldn’t stand reading any of it, it was like a horror movie. Whenever I see someone else make those same mistakes when they write I just feel the pain of reading my old writing all over again. Punctuation and grammar are incredibly important. It tells a lot about who you are, whether you are someone well educated who cares about how they spell, or if you are someone too lazy to write you and would rather write “u”. I appreciate punctuation and enjoyed the point you made with this post.
Stephen Corrales
Dear Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteThis post reminds me a lot of my years in high school when my English class during Freshman year and how each word, line, and punctuation in Romeo and Juliet meant a specific trait to the reader whether they knew it or not. Well the same applies to all of Shakespeare's works it seems as something as indenting poetry stances and change the format can have some artistic value especially when you have powerful words behind them. Thank you
Thank you for posting this. I love how you talk about the aspects of punctuation and their meanings. I will be honest, I suck at using punctuations except for the basics such as: period, exclamation point, question mark, and commas. I never really know what these mean or how to use them effectively and that it something I myself have to work on, but this little blog post does give me a rough idea into how to use certain punctuations. I appreciate that acknowledge that poetry can sometimes be a fickle thing when it comes to punctuation. I loved the analogy you give saying “poetry falls somewhere between the pyrotechnics of ee cummings, and the spareness of W.S. Merwin” I did appreciate taking the poetry and breaking it down by each line to show us what every example means in the punctuation of the poems.
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ReplyDeleteI have to admit that I did not consider spacing punctuation in the same way I regard question marks or exclamation points as punctuation. I really enjoy the justification of the first line of “W(viva).” This is because when I read the poem, I was dissatisfied its appearance and had trouble deciphering the meaning. However, your interpretation makes sense and makes the poem more enjoyable. I find that when I read poems, I often do not enjoy them, unless they are easy to read. This poem perfectly proves my point. I immediately judged it as a bad poem because of my punctuation standards and expectations. I remember in high school, my AP Literature teacher used to constantly remind us that everything done in writing is done for a reason. I refused to believe this, for I feel that not everything is pre-planned. With this extreme poem, it is clear that the author intended to catch people by surprise by using this random capitalization and punctuation. Therefore, maybe he surprised himself by choosing to the capitalize the “G”’s in “liGhtninG.” However, it is interesting to think that the “G”’s may be capitalized because of the numerous words relating to visual experience that start with the letter. -Brianna Martinez
It was very interesting to learn about the history of punctuation. Its something that I most certainly overlook, but makes the biggest difference on a composition. Out of the basics, I did not know and now I have something new that I can teach to young writers that I know and my younger family members that I help to do their homework. I can also use what I learned to improve on my proof reading skills as well.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I learned, especially from being an English major, is that punctuation is extremely important. It can make or break a sentence, literally. Punctuation is important because it tells the person what you are, or aren't doing, as well as what you are or aren't saying. A lot of people aren't as aware of proper punctuation when they're writing as they should be. Punctuation and sentence structure is something we learn in elementary school, but tends to be something we lose as we get older.
ReplyDeletePunctuation pertains to anything in daily life, whether it's written, typed, or spoken. People will respond how you communicate. Expressing your message through words and punctuation is key.
Punctuation has been dying slowly with all of this technology. We are not using punctuation when we post on social media, or text our friends, and before we know it, we forget where to put commas. We forget if the quotation goes before or after the period at the end of a sentence. It's getting quite out of hand. -Brittany Lindsey
ReplyDeletePunctuation has been dying slowly with all of this technology. We are not using punctuation when we post on social media, or text our friends, and before we know it, we forget where to put commas. We forget if the quotation goes before or after the period at the end of a sentence. It's getting quite out of hand.
ReplyDeleteDear Dr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteI am a lover of punctuation! I dont know if it's because of my age and how important it was while attending school, or maybe because I find the power of punctuation fun. Either way, I have always felt punctuation has been unappreciated. I understand generation traits change and I am fine with it, but why not keep the old and incorporate the new? I can text like a teen would do, with their brb, omg, lmao, and even with the well known fact that if you text and punctuate you are being old fashion and rude (or so my kids tell me lol). I can also write a letter or paper and enjoy using punctuation. It is not the same to say: I LIKE COOKING MY FAMILY AND MY PETS (hehe) Then to say: I LIKE COOKING, MY FAMILY AND MY PETS.... just saying :)
I think that punctuations are an essential tool to understand what the writer is trying to say or express, passion, doubt, where to pause, without punctuations how can we ever end a conversation. I have noticed that there is so much miscommunication is texting. Most people never use a period, or exclamation points, or a question mark, it’s so hard to know what the other person expression. On the other hand, in social media, some people use too much punctuation like triple ??? or triple !!! too much exaggeration to express or get the point across. Reading this blog brings to the memory a short documentary called Explained, it discusses how the exclamation point is overused nowadays. How is more acceptable if a woman uses it, and if a man uses it, he is judged by it. How editors say that is better to limit exclamations points because too much of it will make that individual overly excited crazy person! I have noticed that exclamation points have been overused in commercials to get the consumers attention, how it was used in headlines to get the reader’s attention. Also, how Shakespeare used punctuation in hot, heavy scenes, as well as dramatic scenes. I notice that in Love Labor’s Lost, punctuation is the key to how becomes a comedy as asking a question and repeating the question as making fun of the other person. I have noticed many quotation marks in one word, so the reader can pay close attention to what is funny, and of course, exclamation points for exaggeration. Its always nice to pay attention a simple details to learn and appreciate it!!!!
ReplyDeleteDr. Rich,
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this blogpost, I genuinely think that punctuation is the underdog of the English language. Punctuation has been around for so long that now people don’t really think about it when then are writing, at least consciously. It’s just something that comes naturally to most people when they are writing. It’s just “Oh ok I need to end my sentence, period. Oh, this sentence, comma here and there… next paragraph”. These punctuations actually mean something. They are used to separate thoughts and are not meant to continue on forever. Spaces and punctuations are critical to advance any story otherwise it would not make sense. The reader needs to stay focused and not lose sight of what the writer is saying. I would say there is also a difference between using punctuation when writing academically versus texting with friends. One is formal, and the other is informal because you writing amongst friends and family so it is more personal so there is no pressure to be scholarly.
Punctuation is a language. It's safe to say that if punctuation didn't exist, or if we didn't use it properly the english language would be way more chaotic than it already is. Punctuation creates the language in itself and not only with writing but with the way that we speak too. If periods didnt exist we would be talking without taking breaths and it would make reading much more difficult because we wouldnt know how to read sentences, where the sentence starts or ends. Punctuation goes for all languages (i think), we all need to know when to end a sentence, where theres a comma, a colon for listing, and paragraphs from changing subjects. As a reader and a writer, thinking about the possibilities of not using any punctuation in a paper just makes my head spin. Not only would we as readers need to focus on what we are reading, we would need to focus on when the sentence ends, and when a new paragraph starts etc. Punctuation is an easy solution and it's something we learn at a young age. it is very important punctuation is learned and used properly in all forms of writing.
ReplyDelete-Melanie Azevedo
I never realized how important the spaces, just the spaces, between words can be. Without them we would be struggling to find where a word ends and cannot read anything with ease. The meaning of what we are trying to read is lost and we lose interest because it has become too difficult of a task to overcome. I think we take a lot of this for granted. We overlook the little things and it is the little things that matter the most. Without periods, commas, question marks, it would be boring to read or write literature. The emotion we want to invoke in our reader would not come across at all and there would be no point to any of it. Punctuation is crucial in all writing and even in the way we speak. We speak with punctuation as well without acknowledging that either. I cannot even imagine a world without punctuation.
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Sometimes, I am so accustomed to using punctuation that I never stop to think about why. Why am I using these commas, periods, apostrophes, and spaces? I was never really taught about putting a space in between every word that I write or type. At a young age, we see this occurring throughout the books that we read and watching our parents and teachers write or type. However, the thought of why are we doing this never comes to mind while actually doing it. At this point in my life, it is all second nature to me. It is interesting if you research on punctuation. I have found a whole bunch of articles and videos that are about teaching how to use punctuation but never the ‘why’ we do it.
ReplyDeleteThis blog post really made me think. Without putting spaces, commas, periods, quotation marks, and apostrophes in this response, it would be so hard to read. It won't flow, nor probably make any type of sense. In grade school, I was taught to use a period after every sentence, and a comma when it was time to take a breath. Punctuation helps readers create images. It helps separate words, parts, and images. It also allows for characters to speak, and readers to know when someone is speaking. It has been a while since I have been informed about punctuation, and this blog has brought back many of those memories for me. It was very informative, yet helpful and interesting! Thank you for sharing!
I never paid close attention to punctuation in poetry until writing my first paper this class. The poem would have read so much differently if it wasn’t for the punctuation. One aspect I focused on was capitalization throughout which gave the poem so much more meaning. It affects the way it is read subconsciously, aloud, and the way we interpret it. Punctuation can in fact make or break the poem itself. Is uses aspects of questionability, emphasis, and so much more. I have never paid close attention to this in poetry because it has not always been an interest of mine, but I have recognized it in the past while reading or writing other literature. I found lsat class to be extremely interesting where the other Dr. Rich was explaining the structure of the sonnet and how the punctuation, markings, and blank space played a role in the form as a whole. it made me think in my own writing how I sometimes throw commas everywhere not even thinking about how they are really affecting the content
ReplyDeleteWhen I first began to write poetry, I did not realize all of the factors that have an impact on how your poem will feel. But that is what separates poetry from other types of writing. Every space, comma, period, line break, etc. are all there for a specific purpose and that purpose is to give you some sort of feeling. It becomes more than just telling a story, it becomes a true work of art. The punctuation in a poem can change the entire view you have on it. You can look at the message or story in different ways just based on how it is set up. This post points out the importance of punctuation for poems.
ReplyDeleteI have learned about how important punctuation really is when comes to poetry. When I first began to write poetry, I did not realize all of the factors that have an impact on how your poem will feel. But that is what separates poetry from other types of writing. Every space, comma, period, line break, etc. are all there for a specific purpose and that purpose is to give you some sort of feeling. And if used in different ways, a single poem can have multiple different points of view based on how it is structured. It becomes more than just telling a story, it becomes a true work of art. The punctuation in a poem can change the entire view you have on it. We have read examples in our book on the differences line breaks can have. A boring, bland, and even robotic poem can become a masterpiece with just a change in line breaks. An example of that is the poem “We Real Cool.” When the word “we” is used at the end of each instead of the beginning, it feels like an entirely new poem. It goes from straightforward and robotic to a fun and immersive story. It also makes the end of the poem more impactful. You can understand the people in the poem more based on the way it is structured and written. You can look at the message or story in different ways just based on how it is set up. This post points out the importance of punctuation for poems.
ReplyDeleteI was unaware of how punctuation marks came about/ the history of them and its interesting because it shows how important spacing is first and foremost. And then of course punctuations. I am a punctuation freak, for the most part, so I appreciate the finding and longevity of its purpose. Often times, which I still find hard to believe in this day and age, but many people overlook the use of punctuation marks and don’t even begin to understand how it makes such a difference in a sentence. There is already that responsibility of figuring out what tone to read something in, and on top of that keeping up, or staying ahead of punctuality to make sure that you read and understand something the way it was intended to be comprehended. I am always paying attention to punctuation marks even in text messages. There isn’t much of a coat switch when it comes to me and writing socially and academically. I intentionally use punctuation marks correctly for the most part in whatever involves me typing because it is something that I do often for the pleasure of others, aside from responding to text messages.
ReplyDeleteThroughout this semester, I have learned that punctuation in poems is incredibly important -- as is everything other factor in writing poetry. Some poems don’t need capitalization to make a statement and others don’t need periods to move onto the next thought or sentence. The way that punctuation plays a role in the poems that we write is rather profound. I have used this method or technique when writing my poems and I have found that when we don’t follow the traditional rules of grammar that we learned throughout our school lives, we are able to open ourselves up to an even more transformative and soul changing poem that makes us, the poets and the readers, want to go back time and time again.
ReplyDeleteReading ee cumming’s poem “W (Viva)” at first was incredibly annoying and frustrating because my mind is trained to read like we were taught so diligently in school. So, seeing all of these parentheticals, capitalizations, exclamation marks and semicolons in their non traditional place, my mind automatically went on an over fried mode. My brain short circuited itself and I was appalled and confused as to how I would read this particular poem. However, after you explained the poems afterwards, it made a little more sense. I reread the poem and I actually heard the lightning. The way that the poem is shaped as well, it mimics the lightning shape as it strikes. In W.S Merwin’s poem, his last three lines show the way that we read his poem. Without the use of punctuation, we read with flow, holding back at the exact moments -- just like lightning and thunder. There’s music in the way that we are able to read his poem and in the way that he is able to express and show this to us through the absence of punctuation.
Punctuation to me is a signal, almost like a traffic light. It stops you or slows you down, or the lack of punctuation allows you to keep going. I’ve been playing with punctuation in my poetry, capitalizing, not capitalizing, no periods, or even using question marks, which I never used because I felt like a question wasn’t as impactful as a statement or thought. Of course, I was wrong. Seeing how other poets play with punctuation is inspiring and fun to read as your mouth and brain struggle to adapt to something so new and different, opposed to strict capitalization in the beginning of a thought and a period at the end. This is one of the reasons I love and feel so safe with poetry, there are no rules. I mean there are, but only if you want to follow them. Now that I am more aware of the impact punctuation has on what I’m trying to say, I pay close attention and read aloud what I’m writing as I’m writing it to have the full affect. As discussed in class, line endings and spacing also become punctuation and I’ve been experimenting with my line endings and found it to be very effective and the way my writing sounds has improved. Just by thinking about the punctuation in my poetry, I’ve changed completely and have more trust in my writing because it’s coming out onto the page exactly how I need it to.
ReplyDeleteRight from the beginning of this blog post, I was intrigued. I feel as if I had never been taught the true meaning of punctuation and why it is used the way it is these days. Although I know I had been taught overtime how to correctly use a comma, apostrophe, and the end mark of a sentence, I feel as if I had never been taught the true meaning behind a space in-between words. I also did not know that before there were spaces between words that in ancient Greece they actually used a dot to indicate the separation between words. It is interesting to learn that poetry can take its own spin on punctuation. We have been taught in school for years how to correctly use punctuation. I mean, we would get in trouble for not putting a comma in the correct spot! ( I went to Catholic School, they may have been quite strict). It’s interesting to see that poetry can use punctuation in a whole new way, as did W.S. Merwin and Cummings. Using specific punctuation in poetry can change the entire sound of the poem, which is really interesting in itself. Although it was interesting to read the poem from Cummings using all different forms of punctuation in a not so traditional manner, it was actually pretty hard to understand the poem and what emotions it was trying to provoke. It is very true that it would be so difficult to read anything if spaces between words as well as the correct form of punctuation had not been invented.
ReplyDeleteI find the history of punctuation that Dr. Rich outlined to be fascinating. To me, knowing that punctuation changed so drastically throughout history, frees me to experiment with it today- it frees me because I realize punctuation is flexible and changeable. As thinkers and writers, we respect history, and we can be creative- we do Not accept that an exclamation point, question mark, or period, or capitalization, can only be used in one way. Instead we take full leverage of punctuation to use it in a way that uniquely expresses ourselves. If something has an origin that is different than the present use, it can have a different future too. With every expression, we help create part of that future.
ReplyDeleteCreativity is not limited. We need to be creative in as many ways as we can. Putting an exclamation point in the middle of a sentence, and using punctuation flexibly, is only one example of how Everything we write, and everything we Do, can be a special expression of our unique being!
Punctuation can be a cue to the reader on how to 'feel' the poem. Sometimes emotion and ideas can be partially lost in the reading, compared to how the writer intended and felt it his or her self. Punctuation helps communicate feeling; it helps to Preserve the unique feeling and senses of the poem that the writer originally felt. Tone of voice and emphasis and speed of speech serve a similar function, when one is speaking aloud. So, as writers, we need to use every tool that we have, including punctuation, to communicate our message. Anything that deserves to be said, deserves to be said creatively and uniquely!
I love punctuation in poetry. I had a peer who played around with her spacing and I thought it was brilliant. I didn’t realize how much I could do with poetry and I wanted to take risks in my work. I began breaking all the rules of capitalization, space, formatting, and punctuation to write my poetry. It made me see how important it is to see poetry instead of just hearing it. I love when the words, the sounds, and the structure of the poem all work together. In F Y I Need to Talk, I appreciated the lines with spaces like “my office my lungs my gut” because naturally if I want a pause I go to the next line. But the line would have been too short and out of place in the poem. The structure made it belong in the poem. Additionally, the extra space instead of every two words having a whole line to themselves gave me a feeling of being claustrophobic in a cubicle because even the words were separated they were cramped.
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I definitely believe that punctuation is one of the most under appreciated qualities that poetry offers. Even when discussing poetry with friends, never do they bring up the punctuation, it's all about the imagery for most of them. Even after reading this I did not realize the full extent of the impact punctuation can do in a poem. I loved your draft, I hope you still have it because it's awesome!! My favorite line is "My ears like vacuums", even with that blank space I get the image of someone vacuuming back and forth.
ReplyDeleteI adore punctuation. It leaves the reader wondering why the author wrote their poem in that sort of manner and it can lead to a deeper meaning along with dramatic pause. I was once told that I cannot add exclamation points at the end of all my sentences in a poem because it looks messy but my point in doing that in my poem is because it is how I talk and how I wanted my poem to be read. For my adding the punctuation like that is showing how excited I am and I tend to get more excited than most and if I cannot read my poems to everyone who reads them I want them to at least be able to read and picture how my words are spoken through punctuation.
ReplyDeletePunctuation is so important in poetry. Like you stated in this blog it is a guide for how the author would like you to read it. Be it with few periods like W.S. Merwin’s poem “Just This”, to encourage haste or poems with a lot of punctuation to possibly imply a jagged, uncomfortable feeling. Just like an author carefully chooses which words to put in their poems, they also think about punctuation. If we overlook it, we might as well be paraphrasing the poem. You lose so much meaning and flow if you toss aside the intended punctuation choices. Especially when reading out loud, which is so necessary in poetry. You will miss the beautiful music that come from a poem without proper punctuation. A glossed over period will be missed like the chorus of a balled or the beat drop of a song.
ReplyDeleteI never really thought about that punctuation could have so different effects for just a single sentence. Interpretation is also a big factor because different punctuation and how you pause a sentence can mean completely different things: the punctuation "" is the one I found most funny because it can be interpreted as irony, which I think is very subtle and thought-provoking sometimes. What does it mean when you put "" on a word? It can mean the opposite, or emphasis (sometimes), another meaning, and more. When I think about how punctuation can make such a difference, it teaches me that paying attention to details is important.
ReplyDeleteWhen talking about punctuation in poetry, I feel like a fool for thinking that including it meant nothing. It was not until one day that I came across an e.e. cummings poem...and I felt completely lost. From then until I read this blog post, I thought cummings included poetry in his poems just because. But that is not all the case.
ReplyDeleteFrom your interpretation of “W (Viva),” I can see that his inclusion of punctuation DOES matter. My first exposure to cummings was through a video essay on his poem "[i carry your heart with me(i carry it in]". I still have a hard time deciphering the use of parenthesis, however, to me it feels like he separates some of the phrases within his poems to add some sort of emphasis.
i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go,my dear;and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
This is the first stanza of the poem mentioned. I think that he is putting all of these parentheses in his poem because he wants to let the person he is talking to, to know the specifics of what he is doing. To me, it reminds me of someone who is singing a love song and will turn to their lover at certain points of the song (serious, intimate parts of the song) to let them know it is about them. I will probably never find out if this was true or not, but I am content with my interpretation.
#5 Value
ReplyDeleteIn dating, men strive to earn a woman who has high value. What does this mean? In English, a woman of high value is defined as a woman who has enough self respect for herself, and then some to share. A woman of high value usually has a lot going for her - she has a steady job, is primarily in good health, balances out her friendships and family, and has a relativley normal sex life. What about relationships? Sure, a woman of high value offers a great deal of respect and maturity to herself - but does she actually worship what it means to be in a relationship? The act of caring for someone else if not more than yourself. The act of being selfless, to have someone to love and to hold.
This type of critical before-the-relationship-happens-let-me-not-fuck-this-up kind of approach for a woman, can be compared to that of a well written paper. The fact is, quality is always preferred over quantity. Actually, that goes for sex as well! To most realistic, mature, selfless women that is. When a paper calls for 6 pages in length, and the student hands in 4 and a half pages of quality work, perhaps the Professor will knock off a point or two. However, a good educator - whether they be a college professor or a third grade teacher in a middle school will evaluate the work by searching for how the student analyzed the work. The teacher will also look for what the particular prompt, poem, or peice meant to that student. Does the student have enough respect for themselves to produce quality over quantity?
Lexie Grell
I am twenty one years old and I am still never sure where it is appropriate to put a comma. I am a little shaky on the use of a semicolon and the full on colon itself is something I try to stray away from. If google does not catch it for me before I turn in my paper then it doesn’t really matter in my mind. I realize now, from this blog post, how important punctuation can be, especially in poetry. How it shapes the readers understanding of what the writer is trying to convey and emphasize.I appreciated the history of punctuation from this blog and how it’s been adopted into poetry especially after it started to become more common to have written than memorized and spoken. Nothing is really lost through this transition, in fact, the audience is allowed to experience what the writer intended without having to hear it directly from them. It is much easier for me to realize where a punctuation must go in my poems versus any academic work I have done. Probably because the rules are a bit different. I know where to put my commas, semicolons and colons when I write my poems. It’s because I know how I want my audience to read and interpret my poetry, not because I have two dependent sentences (I guess I do remember how to use commas).
ReplyDeleteI was very intrigued to learn about the history of punctuation. I also loved to learn about the freedom of not using it. I thought poems were formal, and grammatically correct, until I took your class. I felt free writing an entire run-on sentence in a poem, where I felt the anxiety I was feeling while writing it was portrayed on the paper. If everything began with a capital and ended with a punctuation, that emotion would not be felt by the reader. Along with that, I also loved learning that we could end a line in the middle of a sentence. That was my favorite thing to learn. I felt so free from all the rules I had drilled into me growing up. As an English major, I feel uneasy when I read things that aren't grammatically correct, however this broke me a bit from the uneasiness. I tried not to write a "correct" poem the entire time, strictly because of how much I enjoyed "breaking" the rules.
ReplyDeleteI always felt the need to figure out if I was using my punctuation correctly. It's very interesting to read about the history of punctuation itself and how at first it wasn't even used. That must've been a mess trying to figure out ancient words and phrases. But also what i liked about reading this, is how much we evolve so that we can all understand ourselves a bit more. The history of punctuation makes me realize how thankful i am to be where I am now in time. Being able to read and write should be viewed as somewhat of a luxury. Im very fortunate to live where i do and have the rights I do whereas other people around the world don't even have the right to an education to earn these skills. Moving forward with the idea of punctuation is how interesting it is that it can tell a story and put emphasis where you need it to be. The examples that you put above really does emphasis what they wanted to, although I couldn't understand it very well. I was even confused about the title until i read the explanation you put behind. When I write my poems i still try to figure out capitalization and punctuation to make sure the reading can fully understand that i was trying to put out there. But still, I am aware of myself that it is a working progress to achieve that sense of putting out what people can comprehend.
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I never learned any of the history behind punctuation. From early on I was taught punctuation and I never thought to ask the reason why. Whenever I wrote something whether it was for a class or if was just something for me I always wrote in forms that I was taught. This meant I was always cautious to use the right capitulation, the right commas, periods, colon, and paragraph breaks. It never occurred to me that breaking these standards in creative writing such as writing poetry is allowed, in most cases encouraged. This basically relates back to your blog post entitled "Prompts, Proctors, and pornography" in which so much of my writing has become centered around the left brain thinking. In your example you show how spacing, and removing of punctuation puts more emphasis on your work. It's very interesting to see how other people utilize their punctuation to highlight their poems. I agree that how the poem looks on the page plays a large role in how it is read as well. At the end of the day, the poem is supposed to be creative and unique, and however someone wants to illustrate it is what makes it their own art. Punctuation in my opinion when writing poetry is not important. I feel after reading this, as well as taking a look back at my own poetry, I will feel a lot more comfortable writing with it.
ReplyDeletePunctuation is so important Period!. Punctuation has taken a completely different form now that I am writing poems where the rhythm is run based on how I use punctuation. This has been one hell of a experience realizing the way one comma can change the who poem and one skipped line or period can make a completely different stance then you were originally intending for. I wish I would’ve known the power a lot younger because I did know a bit granted the fact that some slang actually includes punctuation to give it a different effect. Some of my personal poems for class were different because I miss placed a comma or added a period by accident. Punctuations power to influence a whole poem is unmatched when you think of the words verse a type of punctuation. I definitely am feeling a lot better now that I know the power of punctuation. I could definitely use that to help make my poems even stronger and stir up even more emotions. Misplacing punctuation can be the difference between sounding angry and sounding excited and if it’s used wrong then it could murder your whole poem. Punctuation is used to help the reader navigate through the text and know when the lights red and when it’s green. It’s important that use as poets remember the power and what the punctuation is used for and effectively use it so that we can connect better to the audience and they can feel and be more in the moment with our work.
ReplyDeleteRight from the beginning of this blog post, I was intrigued. I feel as if I had never been taught the true meaning of punctuation and why it is used the way it is these days. Although I know I had been taught overtime how to correctly use a comma, apostrophe, and the end mark of a sentence, I feel as if I had never been taught the true meaning behind a space in-between words. I also did not know that before there were spaces between words that in ancient Greece they actually used a dot to indicate the separation between words. It is interesting to learn that poetry can take its own spin on punctuation. We have been taught in school for years how to correctly use punctuation. I mean, we would get in trouble for not putting a comma in the correct spot! ( I went to Catholic School, they may have been quite strict). It’s interesting to see that poetry can use punctuation in a whole new way, as did W.S. Merwin and Cummings. Using specific punctuation in poetry can change the entire sound of the poem, which is really interesting in itself. Although it was interesting to read the poem from Cummings using all different forms of punctuation in a not so traditional manner, it was actually pretty hard to understand the poem and what emotions it was trying to provoke. It is very true that it would be so difficult to read anything if spaces between words as well as the correct form of punctuation had not been invented.
ReplyDeleteThis is so mind opening. Previous to this semester with you, teachers of poetry had brought up punctuation but with such little emphasis or revelation. I am so astounded by the way that the written word can take on new meaning with simple changes in punctuation. When going to rework my poems, the form and punctuation became one of the most pivotal elements of bringing the piece to its final form. Lack of punctuation can communicate a sort of numbing, droning feeling. It also strips away pretense in academia and says "here, this is raw, this is as it is" and I like that sort of head tilted up feeling. Of course, going into the nuance and allowing the periods, commas, numbers, caps and so on can leap where mere letters fall. I thoroughly enjoyed the perspective of Cummings and modern poets in comparison to the needs of poetry in the Bard's time. When most people, or the lower class, were illiterate, all there was to communicate location, imagery and emphasis was the spoken word. Now we have all these tools at our disposal, especially in a digital world where people are consuming most of their content via images on the screen. It is a dangerous time, but an exciting time for poets to scream through their forms and words where people need to hear them more than ever!
ReplyDeletePunctuation is important, but does anyone really acknowledge them? When writing, majority of people stick to the periods and question marks. Semicolon and colons are rarely used unless you are a writer, writer. When I’m reading, I completely skip all the punctuations. I don’t pause at the end of the period, I don’t asses the question when I see a question mark, I skip it and move on to the next statement sentence. I read as if the whole book is a run-on sentence. I avoid using semi-colons and colons because I can never remember when to use each one and the single quotation mark baffles me completely. Now that I’m an English content minor, I see the need for it, and I see why I will have to constantly remind my students of the punctuations and what they are used for. With my poems I noticed I try to end every line with a period just so say “stop here” even though sometimes I want my poem to slow without a stop. However, I have been trying to get creative with my punctuation use when it comes to my poem. More specifically if I want my poem to have a dramatic feel, I place a period in weird places. After reading this post I feel like I became slightly a bit more comfortable with them in my poems, but I’m still on the fence.
ReplyDeleteDonika H
Well, I know punctuation is important and why it's needed. Honestly, not until I read this blog have I ever considered punctuation an important functioning character in writing, like I would a word. Obviously there are many things, simple things, that people (definitely including me) do and use on a daily basis and take it for granted and not think twice about it.
ReplyDeletePunctuation gives life to words. It connects one line to the next. It also represents the safety net that we desperately need when trying to share thoughts, etc.
When I taught kindergarten, there was a great book introducing the importance of punctuation, it called "Punctuation Takes a Vacation." My students loved it because in order for them to understand, I had them free write without punctuation and they struggled. The lesson wasn't about me demanding my students to use punctuation but to have an idea of the types of punctuation and to appreciate the usage.
When I write poems, I do have a problem figuring out where to place my punctuation. I have to stop, think and consider the overall poem, the effect I want the line to have, the choice of word(s) i want to use and how I feel.
Punctuation is and will always be an active character in any form of writing.
Meagan AWP 5000